Curse

Bowstring Badass · Jun 09, 2008, 09:28 PM // 21:28

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Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

* Something else?

Not allowing someone who does not know what dropping it means.

naughteblonde · Jun 09, 2008, 09:30 PM // 21:30

I think I'm still fairly 'noobish' as I'm constantly learning new things just from reading these boards. Back in the days when I was a true newbie I must admit going onto GW my first thoughts weren't about who was going to attempt to rip me off, its was more about enjoying and getting to know the game.

Unfortunately so many people just don't know about scams and their knowledge will only come if they lose out, seek help, and find the info here. It could have happened to me if I hadn't come here to find out about a glitch and kept reading. I know that to some folks this will make me an idiot/naieve/deserve to be scammed etc but its true.

Yes, you can't always save people from themselves. There will always be people who ignore the warning signs and uneasy feelings just like there are people who buy links on eBay thinking theyve got a PS3 for $1 because they didn't read the listing. But the scammer is still in the wrong and I'd still try to 'save' the victim. If putting energy into that stops one person being ripped off, its worth it at least for me so Im usually the person commenting on scam in local chat etc ^_^

With that in mind is there any guide to GW scams in one place for newbies to read? If not would anyone mind if I made one?
IMO education is the most powerful weapon against scams.

Alexandra-Sweet · Jun 09, 2008, 09:35 PM // 21:35

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Originally Posted by naughteblonde

With that in mind is there any guide to GW scams in one place for newbies to read? If not would anyone mind if I made one?
IMO education is the most powerful weapon against scams.

http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Common_scams Wiki is your friend (not for me since it joined Wikia)

naughteblonde · Jun 09, 2008, 09:37 PM // 21:37

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Originally Posted by Alexandra-Sweet

http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Common_scams Wiki is your friend (not for me since it joined Wikia)

Thankyou very much ^_^ I've never seen that before.
Is there any on here? A fan made type thingamabob?

CyberMesh0 · Jun 09, 2008, 09:40 PM // 21:40

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Originally Posted by naughteblonde

Thankyou very much ^_^ I've never seen that before.
Is there any on here? A fan made type thingamabob?

Both wikis *are* fanmade- and each has its differences.

guildwars.wikia.com

wiki.guildwars.com

On topic, all you'd have to do is reassign the drop to person X if person X drops it, or allow the option to unbind it.

naughteblonde · Jun 09, 2008, 09:44 PM // 21:44

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Originally Posted by CyberMesh0

Both wikis *are* fanmade- and each has its differences.

guildwars.wikia.com

wiki.guildwars.com

Ahh, I didn't know that. I'm still noobish, 10 months playing and I'm still learning from the more experienced members

SerenitySilverstar · Jun 09, 2008, 10:19 PM // 22:19

The in game F10 function needs more promotion. I like the fact it's searchable AND links outside the game to the Wiki.

zelgadissan · Jun 09, 2008, 10:35 PM // 22:35

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Originally Posted by Alexandra-Sweet

Scammers always have a backup, they run through the portal while the item remains on the ground, so the owner of the item would still lose it.

2. A window popping up giving you 2 options.
O Do you wish to drop this item so any player can pick it up?
O Do you wish to drop this item so only you can pick it up?

If the scammer runs through the portal you should be able to retrieve the item through a handy dandy box popping up.

TBH I don't care too much since I've never felt the desire to "taunt" a scammer by dropping it then picking it up real fast, nor have I ever been so much of a noob to think it wouldn't be picked up by somebody else if I dropped it, but for those who need this sort of thing, my vote goes to exactly as above. Please don't remove the drop system though, it comes in far too handy when dungeon crawling/vanquishing/random stuff.

Sparks Dawnbringer · Jun 09, 2008, 10:40 PM // 22:40

I think everyone falls for some of these tricks once in a while when you are new. There is a bottomless pit of content here and noone learns it in 10 minutes. Then you learn to READ the wiki and search for scams. Most of the main ones are listed there. But I have to admit I had never heard of the drop you stuff one. I did catch someone trying to do a hard mode run that did it once and died then did it the second time but switched to normal. So if your on a run check once it starts that you really are in hard mode. It dosn't hurt for all of us to reminided of some of these once in awhild. Basicly, you are responsible for yourself and need to try and be aware. And remember if it's too good to be true, IT PROBABLY IS.

Mac Sidewinder · Jun 09, 2008, 10:42 PM // 22:42

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Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

Does anyone have any suggestions for the this drop item function in particular that would help reduce the number of scams?

For example, and I'm just fielding some ideas for general consideration:

* A pop up notification, asking players if they really want to drop their item(s)
* Change it so that players must give explicit permission for another player to pick up their dropped item, and display a pop up notification asking the player whether they want to allow another player to pick up their dropped item(s).
* A timer which would prevent another player from picking up dropped item(s) until time ran out
* Remove the drop item feature altogether (very drastic)
* Something else?

1. Pop ups get in the way of gameplay - don't like them much.
2. Having to give permission for someone to pick up items really is not needed. If you want to trade with someone - open the trade window!
3. Removal of the drop function would work - players and always throw things in the trash can to get rid of them.

4. I think the best option would be simply to assign the dropped item to the person who dropped it for the normal 10mins that a reg drop times out. You would have to have one of those item boxes come up to retrieve left items (like at the end of missions) in case someone simply wants to grief another player by stepping through a portal after someone has dropped an item.

But really - if anet is going to do this simply to "cure" this type of scam are they going to put in the same amount of resorces to stop other types of scams? I would rather they use those resorces to improve the game play instead. Players simply need to learn not to get scammed and let anet do their job of improving the game.

Marjin · Jun 09, 2008, 10:52 PM // 22:52

This entire thread was inspired by me, I was the idiotic noob who dropped my everlasting automatonic on the ground

I made sure the other person was well out of my aggro, so she couldnt steal it
However I did not expect, the 'person' (since swearing is prohibited on forum) to run through the portal, forever destroying my 160 ectos, 800k worth item.

Well yes, lets adopt the '"stupid noob, lets point and laugh at him" mood, it's the only way I will learn

I was desperate to get the tonic sold, it was late I was tired etc etc, many reasons, but thier not sufficient to justify such an act

Yeah it is 100% my fault, and Im sure the person who did was pissing themselves laughing, I can assure you I was not, at least not until later when my guild helped me to see the funny side of things

Yes, 160 ectos down the drain in a flash, a weeks worth of work gone in a matter of seconds etc etc

There is one thing that could become of all this

An option, like Alexandra-Sweet suggested, of having the choice of reserving an item when you drop it

And if experienced players find this option an annoyance, they can turn it off form the options menu
Such a simple solution, to such a major problem

I dont know what possesed me to defy such a basic rule of common sense
Well at least the issue has once again been somewhat brought into the spotlight, although I higly doubt Arena Net, will care
Thanks for taking a notice ^^

Clord · Jun 09, 2008, 11:33 PM // 23:33

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Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

Does anyone have any suggestions for the this drop item function in particular that would help reduce the number of scams?

For example, and I'm just fielding some ideas for general consideration:

* A pop up notification, asking players if they really want to drop their item(s)
* Change it so that players must give explicit permission for another player to pick up their dropped item, and display a pop up notification asking the player whether they want to allow another player to pick up their dropped item(s).
* A timer which would prevent another player from picking up dropped item(s) until time ran out
* Remove the drop item feature altogether (very drastic)
* Something else?

It is like stopping selling food in restaurant because one customer from thousands made floor bit messy with it. Games like Maple Story what tell every hour what not to do is frustrating feature. Tough pop up not go so far, it is good to be optional feature and it not stop them pressing "yes" in wrong situation.

Aussie Boy · Jun 10, 2008, 12:29 AM // 00:29

I'd like to remove the drop system BUT give us an extra 10 slot bag or even 2

You can still use Trade to swap ID kits and whatnot with your mates just not drop things.

The Meth · Jun 10, 2008, 12:34 AM // 00:34

Anet would be wise to put a new announcement up:

Don't be stupid!

Commander Ryker · Jun 10, 2008, 12:35 AM // 00:35

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Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

Does anyone have any suggestions for the this drop item function in particular that would help reduce the number of scams?

You know what would work Regina? Swift and severe punishment for the scammers. My opinion? It should be perma ban for anyone caught scamming. I'd understand if Anet didn't want to go that far, but it should be something along those lines. Maybe the scammer loses all gold/items, etc or what ever. Punish them and make it hurt and they'll think twice before doing it.

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Originally Posted by Dont Mess WithMe

Why don't you send all that negative energy to the low life scammers? to the abusers that cheat and take advantage of people? They are the ones that deserve name calling.

You know why they don't? Because most of them calling names are probably scammers themselves.

byteme! · Jun 10, 2008, 12:54 AM // 00:54

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Originally Posted by NoXiFy

After reading the high end forum and seeing 1 victim of the old 'drop ur item on the ground i cant see it in trade!' trick... im just wondering... are people seriously THIS retarded? It's not rocket science peeps. I hate it so much that I see people all the time getting scammed from this trick. I looked on Gailes wiki page and someone was qq'ing about them losing some bow. SEriously people... let it be known from here on out that:

1: Don't EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER drop an item on the ground thats valuable.

2: Just because someones not an Assassin doesn't mean they cant tele to you! The person in the thread said they werent scared cause the person wasnt an /A , news to you peeps, EBON ESCAPE, a pve-only skill that will own your face when the noob steals your item.

Please people... stop falling for this trick. -________-

This post/rant will not change anything. Give up now. I can bet you there's about 99999+ people out there who aren't gonna read this anyways. I can also bet that there are some new players just starting up as we speak. They don't know/won't know they are scammable til it happens to them. Oldest trick in the book? Perhaps only to the people who are "in-the-know" and for the rest of them, it's something "new". I wouldn't even use the word "stupid" either. More like "gullible".

BlackSephir · Jun 10, 2008, 12:56 AM // 00:56

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Originally Posted by The Meth

Anet would be wise to put a new announcement up:

Don't be stupid!

You'd probably be surprised with how many people are unable to do that... C'mon, just use common sense and remember what your mom told you- never trust strangers.

SerenitySilverstar · Jun 10, 2008, 02:00 AM // 02:00

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Originally Posted by Marjin

Im sure the person who did was pissing themselves laughing

How bizarre, you poor sausage. While you lost something, that twit didn't gain anything other than jollies. Maybe they thought they were removing it from the economy for their own financial purposes later?

I just don't understand people. To quote: "Who throws a shoe, honestly?"

-Lotus- · Jun 10, 2008, 04:19 AM // 04:19

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Originally Posted by Commander Ryker

You know what would work Regina? Swift and severe punishment for the scammers. My opinion? It should be perma ban for anyone caught scamming. I'd understand if Anet didn't want to go that far, but it should be something along those lines. Maybe the scammer loses all gold/items, etc or what ever. Punish them and make it hurt and they'll think twice before doing it.

why? they didnt really do anything wrong. sure, its not the "right thing to do," but getting idiots to do wtupid thins is a part of life. they drop items of their own free will. no one makes them do it. if people are stupid enough to try and trade without the trade function they deserve to lose all of their items.

Lykan · Jun 10, 2008, 04:19 AM // 04:19

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Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

Does anyone have any suggestions for the this drop item function in particular that would help reduce the number of scams?

For example, and I'm just fielding some ideas for general consideration:

* A pop up notification, asking players if they really want to drop their item(s)
* Change it so that players must give explicit permission for another player to pick up their dropped item, and display a pop up notification asking the player whether they want to allow another player to pick up their dropped item(s).
* A timer which would prevent another player from picking up dropped item(s) until time ran out
* Remove the drop item feature altogether (very drastic)
* Something else?

No, im sorry but no, theres no need for this constant babying everytime some one does something stupid, its completely ridiculous.

The only cure for this is common sense.

Where will it end??

'do you wish to drop this item?'
'are you sure?'
'i dont know he looks dodgy to me'
'maybe you shouldnt drop it'
'hmm ok its your loss if you do'
'are you really sure??'